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Sorry this is in English, mutta minä en puhu Suomea!!

As some of you might know, Jani 'Puppe' Mustonen and I are playing in the Milton Keynes International Open in England on 17 and 18 March. There is an individual tournament on Saturday 17 March, and a teams event on the Sunday. Puppe and I are both entered in the Open category on Saturday - I hope to play both Open and Veterans, but that probably won't be possible.

The tournament is quite large, with the following entrants so far:

71 Open
12 Vets
7 Under 19
2 Ladies

There are players from 16 countries so far registered! The website for the tournament is www.subbuteoplayersforum.co.uk/home.html (http://www.subbuteoplayersforum.co.uk/home.html)

Entries close on 13 March. If one more player from Finland could make it, we could enter a 'Helsinki All Stars' team for the Sunday competition (you really need 4 for a team, but can play with 3 players). If we don't have enough for a team, Puppe and I hope to play for one of the other teams on the Sunday and/or some friendlies, maybe against the guys from Norway and Denmark for some Scandinavian action....

Let me know ASAP if you might be interested in coming along.

Ain't Miku coming?

Unfortunately not  :cry: He could not get the time off from work.....

Good luck to Milton Keynes. I'm very sad because I have to work that weekend.

Kiitos Miku! It's a real shame you can't be there, but I'm sure Puppe will have a beer or three for you  :beer:

Is Puppe drinking beer nowadays? Anyway good luck to Milton Keynes.

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Eliot Kennedy"Kiitos Miku! It's a real shame you can't be there, but I'm sure Puppe will have a beer or three for you  :beer:

nope....In my mouth...the only smooth and mellow taste comes from Irish Whiskey...so I can have one (bottle) to Miku in England...

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Puppe"nope....In my mouth...the only smooth and mellow taste comes from Irish Whiskey...so I can have one (bottle) to Miku in England... :lol:

ok Eliot and Puppe. Just remember ALSO in the games : no mercy - ei mersua.    

No worries! I shall be as merciless as the Finnish winter's day is cold - and short!! :wink:.

Seriously, I think Puppe and I can play without fear and should try not show too much respect to our opponents. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain....

Lads

For your information, final numbers for Milton Keynes are:

Open: 71
Vets: 20
Under 19: 5
Under 15: 5
Ladies: 2
Team: 19

They are having 9 groups of 4 and 7 groups of 5 for the Open on Saturday, so we'll get lots of games :)  

Will let Hönkki know how we go by text....

Lohkoarvonnat:

lohko 12:
Puppe
P. Shearman (ENG)
K. Kechris (GRE) ranking 100.
O'Hare (CYP) 177.
Ab. Hansen (NOR)

lohko 14:
Eliot
S. Hawkins (ENG) 85.
S. Sioylas (GRE)
C. Walker (USA) 521.
P. Barone (ITA)

tulokset:
Puppe-Hansen 0-4
Puppe-Kechris 3-5
Puppe-Shearman 7-1  
Puppe-O'Hare 4-1

Eliot-Hawkins 1-1
Eliot-Sioylas 4-1
Eliot-Walker 0-0
Eliot-Barone 2-2

Eliot jatkossa , Puppe ei.

Congratulatios Eliot. Puppe, not so bad. First win for a finn for a long time.

Good job, Puppe! Next time You will be at second round :o
Puppe-O'Hare 4-1

Eliot-Hawkins 1-1
Eliot-Sioylas 4-1
Eliot-Walker 0-0
Eliot-Barone 2-2

Eliot jatkossa , Puppe ei.

Congratulatios Eliot. Puppe, not so bad. First win for a finn for a long time.[/quote]

Eliotin pudotuspeli pääsystä kuudentoista joukkoon:
Eliot - C. Thomas (ENG) ranking 26.  1-6

Puppe pelasi lohdutus-cuppia:
Puppe - R. Damasco (ITA) 2-3

Huomenna Eliotin ja Pupen pelit jatkuvat joukkuekisassa.

Tuloksia joukkuekisasta:

Puppe - Max Wright (SCO) 0-0
Puppe - Stemitsiotis (GRE) 0-1
Puppe - P. Sutton (ENG) 2-3

Eliot - D. Mavromitros (GRE) 0-6
Eliot - D. Pawsey (ENG) 1-3
Eliot - L. Licheril (ITA) 1-2

Laskeskelin taas ranking-pisteitä:
Eliot 9.6
Puppe 6.0

Reissu tehty :)
Thanks again Eliot for making most of the "hard work" before the trip, you made my part almost too easy...

First, Top 5 things in the trip:

1. Eliot's help  2. Becky  8) ), tuomarointijärjestelyt asiallisesti hoidettu. Tuomarointiin kannattaa ja PITÄÄ kiinnittää enemmän huomiota juuri niinkun ilmeisesti ollaan tekemässäkin.

Laitan tärkeimmät eli kommentit otteluista myöhemmin illalla ja muutakin höpinää...

No worries Puppe! It was great we were able to go together, and well done for posting a couple of great wins (and a great result against the finalist Kechris from Greece). As for ranking me above Becky, I am honoured if a little surprised :wink:

I'll put up another posting with some comments soon, but for everyone's info, here are the main results (will let you know about the full results when available):

Open

Last 32

M Cremona 5 - 1 V Kadinopolous
L Martinelli 0 - 2 M Tilgner
P Hipfinger 0 - 1 A Valverde
T Taylor 0 - 3 D Pawsey
L Papakonstantinou 2 - 1 J Finch
K Stamakostas 1 - 1 A Buhl Hansen KS won on shots
C Short 2 - 0 E Licheri
E Kennedy 1 - 6 C Thomas
V Prats 4 - 0 G Baghino
M Kapsampelis 1 - 0 S Hawkins
D Mavromitros 3 - 0 M Lampitt
K Kechris 3 - 2 J Granados
P Dacey 1 - 0 A Ritoridis
L licheri 0 - 1 A Martinez
A Grorud 3 - 2 P de Leeuw
J Bradley 1 - 3 K Bennett

Last 16

M Cremona 6 - 0 M Tilgner
A Valverde 1 - 0 D Pawsey
L Papakonstantinou 2 - 1 K Stamakostas
C Short 1 - 3 C Thomas
V Prats 4 - 0 M Kapsampelis
D Mavromitros 1 - 2 K Kechris
P Dacey 4 - 0 A Martinez
A Grorud 1 -3 K Bennett

Qtr-finals

M Cremona 0 - 3 A Valverde
L Papakonstantinou 4 - 3 C Thomas
V Prats 1 - 3 K Kechris
P Dacey 1 - 3 K Bennett

Semi-finals

A Valverde 2 - 1 L Papakonstantinou
K Kechris 3 - 2 K Bennett

FINAL

A Valverde 4 - 1 K Kechris

Veterans

Qtr-finals

P Redman 5 - 0 K Dyson
P Holmes 4 - 0 P Erb
M Giacomo 5 - 1 T Prohle
L Commons 0 - 6 P Stemitsiotis

Semi-finals

P Redman 4 - 1 P Holmes
M Giacomo 2 - 1 P Stemitsiotis

FINAL

P Redman 1 - 3 M Giacomo

Under 19

Semi-finals

J Noguera 9 - 0 B Lavender
B Kegebeim 2 - 0 J Ros

FINAL

J Noguera 7 - 3 B Kegenbeim

Under 15

B Kegenbeim 5 - 1 B Lavender
M Kwiatkowski 2 - 1 D Stemitsiotis

FINAL

B Kegenbeim 4 - 3 M Kwiatkowski

Ladies

1st: S Wright
2nd B Bale

Sportsman award: Eliot Kennedy

I was really pleased to get the sportsmanship award. I am sure it's because I have been playing here in Finland for the last 7 months  :)

Pelikommentit:

A.B.Hansen(Tanska) luulin ensin norjalaiseksi... 0-4 Ranking 72
Ok pelaaja mutta täysin voitettavissa..pientä hermoilua ekassa pelissä ja tulos ei kerro ottelun tasaisuudesta...hylätty maali minulta 0-1 tilanteessa...syötin paitsioasemassa olevalla pelaajalla ja tein jatkolla liikkuvaan palloon maalin...passiivinen paitsio tai jotain...en ymmärtänyt tuomiota aluksi mutta kait se noin on???

P.Shearman(Eng) 7-1

Keskinkertainen, melko aloitteleva pelaaja. Hermoilu tiessään ja peli sujui täysin hallinnassa koko ottelun.

R.O'Hare(Cyp) 4-1 ranking 177

Selkeästi taitavampi pelaaja vielä kuin minä. Mutta kun pelasin elämäni parhaan nopean pelin niin tämäkin oli mahdollista. Kaksi jatkolaukausmaalia ällistytti vastustajan täysin pois tolaltaan. Kertoi asenneongelmastaan pelin jälkeen kun oli nähnyt minun joukkueeni ennen ottelua(pelasin vanhanmallisilla astrobase-pohjilla)..siis samoilla millä pelasin sm-kisatkin!! Loistava peli minulta!! :roll:  sillä pelistä ei ollut tietoakaan ennen iltapäivää...tasurin pelasti vain ja ainoastaan veskari..se torjui kaiken joka paikasta mitä tolpat ja ylärima ei hoitanut...olin täysin vastaantulija tässä pelissä ja vastustaja oli parempi pelaaja kuin minä.

Stemitsiotis(Gre) 0-1 Ranking 267

Mukava kreikkalaiseksi pelaajaksi ja täysin voitettavissa mutta kierrokset olivat vielä jossain kaukana normaalisuorituksesta. Olisi pitänyt hoitaa!!!

P.Sutton(Eng) 2-3

Nopealiikkeinen mutta voitettavissa oleva englesmanni, joka kertoi olleensa junnuna Silkeborgin MM-kisoissa -96. Ammuin viime sekunneilla ylärimasta pallon yli hyvästä paikasta keskeltä...arvaa harmittiko??

M.Green(Eng) 3-0

Ystävyysottelu...Aloitteleva englantilainen josta ei ollut vastusta kuin keskialueella ja puolustuspäässä..hyökkäysalueella oli täysin paniikissa eikä saanut yhtään laukausta koko pelissä!!

E.Kennedy(Aus) 3-1

Two exhausted(wonder wrote this right) players...I guess I was not that much tired...we played this only cause it might have been the last chance for me to play against Eliot!!

Kokonaisuutena erittäin tyytyväinen siihen miten pelasin...peli pysyi suhteellisen hyvin kasassa koko ajan koko kentällä ja sellaisia helppoja virheitä ei tullut oikeastaan kuin puolen kymmentä kaikissa 11 pelissä, jotka tahkosin. Innolla odotan päästä pelaamaan niin Suomessa kuin Ulkomaillakin!!

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Eliot Kennedy"Sportsman award: Eliot Kennedy

I was really pleased to get the sportsmanship award. I am sure it's because I have been playing here in Finland for the last 7 months  :)

Brilliant! Congratulations!

I suppose you have teflon skin against finnish wicked humour and other stupidity. Otherwise that award would have been just a dream.

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Puppe"oli nähnyt minun joukkueeni ennen ottelua(pelasin vanhanmallisilla astrobase-pohjilla)

Siis mitkä ovat vanhanmalliset astrobaset? Etkö pelannutkaan Hasbroilla SM-kisoissa?

Kreikkalaiset eivät sitten taistelleet sportsman awardista. No, hyvä, että poikkeuksiakin löytyi. Eikö tuomari tai kukaan puuttunut huuteluun pelin aikana?

LainaaSiis mitkä ovat vanhanmalliset astrobaset? Etkö pelannutkaan Hasbroilla SM-kisoissa?

Kreikkalaiset eivät sitten taistelleet sportsman awardista. No, hyvä, että poikkeuksiakin löytyi. Eikö tuomari tai kukaan puuttunut huuteluun pelin aikana?

sama jengi se mulla on...en muista mitä ne on...hasbroja vai muita...varmaan

Aika vapaasti siellä sai jutella pelinkin aikana, eikä se nyt silleen oikeestaan haitannu...se kyseisen pelaajan mongerrus ehkä enemmänkin!

Puppe and Eliot, did you need to be the referee in any game ?

Olin tuomarina varmaan viidessä pelissä. Tykkäsin siitä ihmeellisen paljon ja se kaiken lisäksi tuntui helpolle. Jouduin itse asiassa heti ekassa sessionissa tuomariksi mutta onneksi pelaajien herrasmiesmäinen pelitapa ja tyyli auttaa paljon tuomarointia. Pelaajat melkein itse tuomitsevat omat virheensä, tuomari vaan vahvistaa ne. Ja tietysti ne muutamat epäselvät tilanteet joutuu itse hoitamaan. Mutta selkeää ja yksinkertaista, ainakin minulle.  

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Puppe"Olin tuomarina varmaan viidessä pelissä. Tykkäsin siitä ihmeellisen paljon ja se kaiken lisäksi tuntui helpolle. Jouduin itse asiassa heti ekassa sessionissa tuomariksi mutta onneksi pelaajien herrasmiesmäinen pelitapa ja tyyli auttaa paljon tuomarointia. Pelaajat melkein itse tuomitsevat omat virheensä, tuomari vaan vahvistaa ne. Ja tietysti ne muutamat epäselvät tilanteet joutuu itse hoitamaan. Mutta selkeää ja yksinkertaista, ainakin minulle.  :respekt:

Tuomarointi on tärkeässä roolissa tässä hyvässä hengessä. Sillä jos epäselviä tilanteita ei ratkaise ulkopuolinen, tulee helposti jännitteitä. Siksi painotan suomalaisessa pelissäkin tuomarien tärkeyttä. Myös hitaan laukaisutilanteissa olisi välillä tarvetta.

Nuo Pupen pohjat ovat siis vanhat kunnon Hasbrot.

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Hönkki"Puppe and Eliot, did you need to be the referee in any game ?

Maybe Puppe answered already, but yes, we were both required to referee several games on both days. I think I refereed 5 or 6 games in total. I quite enjoyed it and had no real problems, even if I was unclear on some of the rules the players were able to sort them out for me! I had to make a couple of tricky decisions (eg whether a defender was moving) but all my decisions were accepted OK. I was maybe a little lucky!

Here's a match report and some overall comments on the tournament.

Chris Walker (FISTF ranking 521) 0-0

A game I should have won and thought I had actually won :-). Stavros had maybe 60% or more of possession and lots of shots, but I kept and blocked very well, and was always dangerous on the break. My third goal, with about 5 minutes left, broke his spirit.

Steve Hawkins (FISTF Ranking 85) 1-1

A great result for me. My 3-0 win in the previous gave me a lot more confidence and reduced my nerves considerably. To be fair, Steve had more of the game, but his only goal came when I gave away possession with my freestanding goalkeeper! He scored first but I was really pleased to equalise in the second half.  Steve had a 2-2 draw with the tournament winner (Angel Valverde) on Sunday, which made me feel even better!!

Paolo Barone (FISTF Ranking 312) 2-2  

I needed only a draw to qualify, but only just managed to get it. Paolo could not qualify having lost all 3 games before, and was therefore very relaxed and attacked a lot. He scored first, then I equalised off a corner with a 'Finnish' goal (ie hit the moving ball) and loved it!! He scored again but I equalised with about 4 minutes left. Went for the winner, but happy not to lose!

I was surprised and delighted to qualify second in my group and without a loss. It was probably one of  the easier groups, but I was still really pleased.

Round of 32: Chris Thomas (FISTF Ranking 26) 1-6

Chris, the No 2 player in England, was simply too good for me. He was the quickest player I have ever played against, consistently hitting a moving ball 6-8 times in a row, making it very hard to defend. I made the mistake of playing too fast myself in the first half and gave away too much possession, and was down 0-4 at half time. Tightened up and slowed down a little in the second half (and he probably relaxed a little), and managed to do much better. Very pleased to score (with a longish shot) to save a complete whitewash.

Dimitris Mavromitros (Greece, FISTF ranking 70) 0-6

Another player too good for me. Described himself as No2 in Greece, and I believe him! He scored three goals in the first half by knocking the ball through my defence (set up well) and hitting a moving shot into the corner....was down 0-5 at half time and facing a thrashing. Played better and smarter in second half, giving away a few free-flicks (not on purpose) stopping his moving shots.

Dave Pawsey (England, FISTF ranking 56) 1-3

I played really well in the first half and was leading 1-0 at half time, having scored my best goal of the weekend after a good curl which took Dave completely by surprise. Yippee!! With luck, might have held on for a draw, but once Dave scored his first goal he relaxed and played much better, pushing me hard. Could not hold on....

Luca Licheri (Italy, FISTF ranking 245) 1-2

Very disappointed and unlucky not to draw. I was leading 1-0 until I gave away a stupid free kick with my (and his) defence wide open with 1 minute left in the first half. I did not wait for his block flick after taking off the free-standing keeper (I was trying to get the ball upfield quickly) and he scored straight after the free-flick. Quite an even second half, until he scored with 1 minute left....bugger!!

So, I lost all three games for TSPA White Star on Sunday, but was very pleased to have been picked for their A team. The team captain told me that he would deliberately put my against the strongest players on the other team with no real expectations, in the hope that the stronger players on our team could beat their weaker players, and that's pretty much what happened. So I was pleased to have led and pushed my opponents in two of the games.

Overall, a great experience and I am sure I would improve if I could play in such tournaments regularly. So keep going for it guys! It was also great travelling with Puppe - it's great to have company and support from another familiar face at the tournament.

I have some suggestions for the Futures tournament, but will save them for another posting as this one is much too long already!! Please don't hesitate to ask me anything you'd like to know about the games and lessons learnt - I'm still trying to work them out myself :)

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Eliot Kennedy"I managed to 'Vesa' my opponent

I'm glad you made good use of our game on the previous thursday. In fact I was sure you'd play well in England after that bit sluggish display.

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Eliot Kennedy"I did not wait for his block flick after taking off the free-standing keeper (I was trying to get the ball upfield quickly))

This I think we have not always remembered in the FISTF-league. I for one didn't even know one had to wait, when taking the keeper off. By the way, is it the same in positioning a player from either side? I mean that you have to wait for the positioning, if the ball is stopped, and then wait for the defender's flick.

Lainaa2. Becky

The wisdom of the day: subbuteoplayers do it in the scoringzone.


I'm sooooo good  :lol:

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Hönkki"

Lainaa2. Becky

The wisdom of the day: subbuteoplayers do it in the scoringzone.


I'm sooooo good  :lol:

 :lol:  :wink:

And I thought you were a nice boy Hönkki!!

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Rossonero"

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Eliot Kennedy"I did not wait for his block flick after taking off the free-standing keeper (I was trying to get the ball upfield quickly))

This I think we have not always remembered in the FISTF-league. I for one didn't even know one had to wait, when taking the keeper off. By the way, is it the same in positioning a player from either side? I mean that you have to wait for the positioning, if the ball is stopped, and then wait for the defender's flick.

From the rules:
6.2.3. The attacker does not have to wait for the defender to take a
block-flick. However, in the following situations, the referee
shall allow the defender time to make a block-flick.
- Placing and raising of playing figures (when the ball is stationary)
- Limited flick
- Substitution of the goalkeeper
- Removing of the spare-goalkeeper
- Before the tickflick is taken and after the attacker has taken the tick-flick
- After flick-in.

In addition of the rules, you should wait for the defenders flick after ball-touch of the goalkeeper (when the ball is stationary).

So in summary, the placing or positioning and goalkeeper touch are the only cases when you can keep on attacking until the ball is stationary.

Suomeksi sama: Hyökkääjän on odotettava puolustusnäpäytystä seuraavissa tilanteissa:
- Pelifiguuria nostettaessa ja asetettaessa (pallon pysähdyttyä)
- maalivahdin kosketus palloon (pallon pysähdyttyä)
- rajoitettu näpäytys (hyökkäysnäpäytys vastustajan maalin takaa)
- Rikkoutuneen maalivahdin vaihtaminen
- Irtomaalivahdin poistaminen kentältä
- Ennen ja jälkeen paitsiostapoistonäpäytyksen
- Sivurajan jälkeen.

Yes, Zinga is 100% right. Not sure if it was the same for Puppe, but in ALL my matches at Milton Keynes the referee would say 'block' or 'block flick' after a save.

The problem I had in this game is that the ref did not say 'block' after I took the spare goalkeeper off, and them I flicked again before he could take his block flick.....

Kiitos vastauksesta.

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Zinga"- Limited flick

- rajoitettu näpäytys (hyökkäysnäpäytys vastustajan maalin takaa)

Mikä tämä on käytännössä? Never heard of this one.

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Eliot Kennedy"Not sure if it was the same for Puppe, but in ALL my matches at Milton Keynes the referee would say 'block' or 'block flick' after a save.

I hope they remembered that the ball has to be stopped. I suppose the referee should say it at that point.

So, my goal against Zinga last season was valid as we also decided then.

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Rossonero"Kiitos vastauksesta.

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Zinga"- Limited flick

- rajoitettu näpäytys (hyökkäysnäpäytys vastustajan maalin takaa)

Mikä tämä on käytännössä? Never heard of this one.

If i remember correct 'Limited flick' means situation where attacker makes a flick and denies defenders access to goalkeeping, or something like that.

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Rossonero"

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Zinga"- Limited flick
- rajoitettu näpäytys (hyökkäysnäpäytys vastustajan maalin takaa)

Mikä tämä on käytännössä? Never heard of this one.

Rules quote: "
5.4.1. If the attacker, when attempting to flick a playing figure at the ball, needs to take up a position behind the playing board that
requires the defender to move out of convenient reach of the
goalkeeper, the referee shall allow the attacker to make his/her
flick, then allow the defender time to take his/her block-flick.
5.4.2. It must be clear that the concept of limited flick may not be
extended to other situations where the attacker does not hinder
the goalkeeping of the defender. There shall never be a limited
flick when the attacker is not physically positioned behind the
defender's goalline, or when the attacker is not actually hindering
the goalkeeping of the defender."

Suomenkielisestä sääntötiivistelmästä: "Rajoitettu näpäytys: Jos hyökkääjä näpäyttää siten, että hän estää asettumisellaan puolustajan maalivahdin pelaamisen, on hänen odotettava puolustajan puolustusnäpäytystä."

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Rossonero"

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Eliot Kennedy"Not sure if it was the same for Puppe, but in ALL my matches at Milton Keynes the referee would say 'block' or 'block flick' after a save.

So, my goal against Zinga last season was valid as we also decided then.

The goal was of course valid, but the case then was not the keeper. I used couple of seconds trying to figure out, if one must wait for the block flick in case of positioning  :wink:

Thanks, the limited flick is now clear to me, too.

Lainaus käyttäjältä: "Zinga"It is bit sad that the metal keepers bounce the ball so hard that it is hard to repeat that kind of goal. Or is it?  

Well, we shall see on thursday, when we meet. But it will be more difficult on the harder shots.